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Seth

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Seth was the incarnation of chaos, war, and rage; his was the infertile and the unforgiving desert.

 


Card Text

(5) Seth (Water)

EgyptianInspirationDeity

Isft: Each player reveals their support cards in reverse order (from right to left) for this game.

God of chaos, he is the embodiment of hostility and even of outright evil. He is also a god of war, deserts, storms, and foreign lands.

Illus.: James Ryman • Set 3P17/100

 

Tournament Promo

Seth was released as a Tournament Organizer card for tournaments in November of 2005.

 

Rulings

From the FAQ

The original printed text on Seth's is "Isft: Each player reveals their support cards in reverse order (from left to right)." This text has been officially reworded/clarified. The reasons behind this change can be found in the next section.

 

From the QCT

Player A is playing against player B. (Their warrior choices don't really matter.)

On round 1, player A reveals Hei-Tiki and player B flips up Zeus. B decides to let A go first. They both do nothing.

Now, on round 2, player A flips up an 8-init card and player B flips up a 1-init card. Player A insists on going first, and he flips his own Hei-Tiki face down. Player B then sacs his Zeus, naming the ability "Te Tuatahi Tangati." Player A ends his turn, and then player B ends his turn. According to our friend the Detailed Round Sequence, Hei-Tiki is due to be flipped back up before Zeus expires. But, wait... the delayed trigger that flips up Hei-Tiki is part of "Te Tuatahi Tangati," which has no effect, and so the Hei Tiki remains face down. After that happens, Zeus expires. At the end of the round, player A is left with a face-down Hei Tiki in slot 1, and a random 8-init card in slot 2. Player B has an empty slot 1 and a random card in slot 2. The next round then begins, and according to the rules ("reveal your leftmost facedown support card") player A reflips his Hei-Tiki. On round 4 he will flip up his round 3 card, and on round 5 he will flip up his round 4 card.

What happens next?

•The line mentioned, "reveal your leftmost facedown support card" has been pretty suspect for a while, actually - ever since we started putting cards back into play or flipping cards face-up ahead of the round in which they are supposed to be revealed.

•Take the instance of Khutga and Harnachement. I'm allowed to flip up Khutga after revealing Harnachement, then spend and action to toss it and gain life. Harnachement tells me to 'use its initiative as normal', but the line "reveal your leftmost facedown support card" implies that I'm supposed to be revealing the card that I've slotted after Khutga.

•The card that you reveal at the start of the round is the one that you have intended to reveal that round when you laid your cards out at the start of the game. As of right now, the only card that affects that order is Seth. In that card's case, as in the rulebook, it was much simpler and straight-forward to refer to cards in an order than to specify card 'slots', or to state that cards are tied to the rounds that the will eventually be revealed in.

•In the example above - Hei-Tiki is face-down, and not allowed to turn face-up again because of Zeus - Hei-Tiki will never turn face up again; it is prevented from having any effect when it tries, and is never again given the opportunity to turn face-up without the intervention of another card ability.

•For an example of another interesting situation, imagine Zeus negates Harnachment after the additional card is turned face-up. Here, the card will be prevented from turning face-down again at the end of the round.

•In the case where the card for a given round is face-up at the start of that round, that card is still considered to be revealed for that round as normal.

•We have been having issues with the specific wording of the support card revelation rules for some time now. In set 3, when Seth was designed, the old line 'reveal your left-most face-down support card' worked, and there were no issues with card combinations involving players bring cards into play in other card's spaces and whatnot.

•In order to prevent more confusion, we're going to issue the following change to Seth:

Each player reveals their support cards in reverse order (from right to left) for this game.

•Adding a duration does change the way the card works, but it removes all of the possible problems that occur when Seth is revealed.

 

History in Brief

Seth and Osiris

They were the dysfunctional family that fueled the soap operas of Egyptian mythology. The two sons of Nut and Geb (the sky and the earth) married the two daughers. Osiris wed Isis Ast, and Seth wed Nephthys. Osiris went on to rule all of Egypt, much to the grumbling of Seth. Adding insult to injury, Seth was unable to conceive with his wife. As a last-ditch attempt, Nephthys slept with Osiris... and was soon pregnant with jackal-headed Anubis.

 

Seth did not take his brother's actions well. Plotting with 72 cohorts, Seth held a banquet, at which Osiris was a guest. During the course of the party, Seth brought out an ornate, coffin-shaped box. He offered the exquisite box to the first person who was a perfect fit inside it. Many tried, none fit. Then Osiris gave it a try; he fit perfectly. At that moment, Seth and his 72 conspirators closed the lid and nailed it shut. For good measure, Seth sealed the box with molten lead and flung it to the nether regions of the world (Phoenicia, to be inexact).

 

With the throne vacant, Seth stepped in as the new pharaoh. He became enraged when Isis discovered the body of Osiris and placed it in a tomb. Seth went to the tomb, ripped his brother's body into fourteen pieces, and scattered them across the land. Satisfied, Seth went back to being the big man in charge. (Isis would not be denied; she eventually found all but one piece.)

 

But Seth would not rule long. When Horus (the son of Oriris and Isis) became and adult, he challenged Seth to fight for vengeance and the throne. The two engaged in an epic battle. Seth ripped out the eye of Horus, and Horus... well, tore off Seth's manhood. The gods declared Horus the victor, and Seth was banished to the infertile deserts.

 

Trivia

Seth...

  • wasn't completely evil; it was Seth who protected Ra's sun-barge from the evil serpent, Apep.
  • was considered part of the Great Ennead (the nine big names in the Egyptian pantheon).
  • is one of two Egyptian cards to be offically reworded (Horn Bow is the other).

 

Links

  • Seth on Wikipedia
  • Seth in the Encyclopædia Anachronistica

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